tv Latin American Politicians and Scholars Discuss Political Violence CSPAN August 24, 2017 12:09pm-2:00pm EDT
layingy innocent victims bare in the roads and expenses expenses --na -- in expanses like barcelona. can rest assured that he frome will be exempted becoming a victim of the present is all -- present assault on civilization. travell i had to frequently to south america from my work with the imf -- for my work with the imf. undererence held in cuba the leadership of fidel castro. i would like to call him the
.odfather this conference was supposed to mark a renaissance of the dark forces of so-called political crime all around the world. past, buts are well we are never long to forget them. seriousworld suffers a -- in venezuela, at the hands of a brutal dictator -- at the hands of a brutal dictator and the valiant struggle for freedom being waged in the streets of caracas and all over the country by the oppressed venezuelan
people. not long ago, columbia faced this threat and today, other nations in south america are in open war against such dangers. i am sure we will learn a great deal from the extra speakers gathered here this afternoon. take a look at the respective backgrounds. they inspire respect because of their knowledge and experience in this area. they will speak in the same order they are seated, starting ambassador ramirez followed by -- allow me to thank miss rachel cox, our director of public events for her key role in
bringing this conference about. my personal special recommendation to dr. john walters for his guidance in making possible this series of conferences on latin america. speakers complete their presentations, we will have the opportunity to ask questions. do, i turn the a podium. [applause] >> thank you very much. thank you for this opportunity to discuss about terrorism in latin america and around the world.
i would like to start by making a couple remarks concerning the perception and the reality of terrorism. it is true that right now, in latin america, in the hemisphere, the perception exists of a terrorist group and it is true, it is a consequence of fast majority governments in latin america. it, do not want to show they prefer not to talk about it. as far as governments are -- erned, it is true that governments have whenke care of the moment
they announce these problems facing the community because you have to be careful when dealing with reality and dealing with reality beyond. that these are the attacks terrorist -- nst 1992, 1994, an terrible number of people were dead or injured. [indiscernible] i will make a number of remarks concerning the columbia situation, right now.
you have to remember that all those times corresponded to what i would consider to be the definition of terrorism. i was working for the united nations. one of the problems we had to face there was there is not a u.n. agreed definition of terrorist. we do not know, we do not need the definition of terrorism to know what terrorism is. my personal definition, my personal definition is violence perpetrated by attackers -- attackers with a purpose of effectsg political through terror in the population.
whatever opinion or ideas we what have, this is terrorism is about. is to generate terror with political objectives and violence within a given .opulation speaking about latin america, we have to take into account the number of common criminal violence in some latin american countries. we have to recognize that some countries or even the whole hemisphere is extremely high and unfortunately extremely high.
some facts to remember to take nearly --nt, we saw 50% of all the criminal induced violence takes place in latin america. 10% on one side, 50% on the other. just to name a couple, 2016 in venezuela, last year, there were 29,000 crimes. by crimes, i mean violent crimes. the proportion is not exactly the same. 29,000 people being killed in
crime. systemic spread of violence weakens the social and political structures of the countries involved and giving rise to what we call failed states where possible, becomes everything bad becomes possible, including the appearance of terrorists. -- n think of all of those guesses come very quickly to the mind. you listen to the people taking care of el salvador and how they discussed the situation of the country, that country is not lookingthere, is really to become what i would consider a failed state.
the frontier between criminal violence and terrorism is always very much blurred. the fighthink about and columbia which after a point, they are a best -- they are the best example. terrorists motivated , what is the difference? last week, vice president pence was visiting several latin american countries. he had the say the threat of terror still looms across our hemisphere and we will stand together to confront it and protect our own people from it.
we must stand together to defeat the most immediate threat the latin -- a latin american countries faces, transnational crime. he was right to say we must come together. this is what we know about criminal violence in the hemisphere. latin america will not be isolated from other international realities. particular, those threatened by so-called islamic terrorism ,r jihadi terrorism or whatever
my presentation will not make a difference between those things. they are all the same. there is no insult addressed to the muslim populations, people with the muslim islamic faith. it is quite obvious the majority of the population around the and itre not terrorists is obvious that those claiming acts of violence and terrorism allah name of our -- claim to belong to the islamic state. all the jihadi terrorists claim to belong to the islamic faith. state is losing the battle, losing the war in syria
and iraq. not all of them haven't been killed, not all of them have disappeared. wonder, theo security services have started of squeezing a lemon. whenever you squeeze a lemon, you get the best part, the juice, but you get a couple drops you will not be able to control. you don't know where they are going to appear. when squeezing the lemon of isis, in iraq, in syria, we don't -- we arty know quite a number of drops have appeared in afghanistan and libya and nigeria and other countries.
that a number of those drops have appeared in european countries and we in spain know all about that. we have to try and imagine where all those drops are going. those drops have been looking for refuge and have been finding it in africa and asia, why in europe, why not look for refuge in latin america, and this is one of the things we have to bear in mind. they have a number of facts we have to take into consideration because in all the middle eastern communities found in
venezuela, quite a number of them as a matter of fact. we arty know that the government has granted around 10,000 visas to citizens. -- the nato forces in afghanistan were sent to hawaii. though six people now have multiplied by 10. there are more than 60 people belonging to the same group living in rule i -- in hawaii. and make surem that they are alternative, but this is one of the facts we have to bear in mind. a number of similar communities in paraguay and argentina.
a constant worry for international police to fight against terrorists. so where are the drops? where have they fallen after the lemon has been squeezed? presumet logical to that those drops have fallen remember nobody knew the attacks against all those jewish centers was going to take place. -- it was remember
the process of radicalization in communities around the world is becoming something to take into and something to take into account in latin america. it is a rather safe bet, somehow or another, in some of those muslim communities and latin america, radicalization is taking place. you have to think about the readiness of actions to reality. you have to think about what i will consider to be the basic code of conduct by communities and societies, governments in the fight against terrorists. you havetart by saying to develop your own intelligence
. you have to develop a significant degree of national and regional security. you have to have a good police. you have to develop and play the role with the international cooperation. you have to reprove -- improve and contemplate specific indications of terrorism which is not to be considered similar to criminal activity. .hey have to be contemplated you have to develop a significant degree of control. you have to have a way to look into the documents of the people crossing the borders. with a number of
national and international controls. the task force which is one of the main bodies following all of the financial activities with regard to the financing of terrorism. we have some particular cases which i will address briefly. argentina has significantly improved their actions against terrorism in recent times. what i wouldazil, consider to be the significant focus on terrorism. brazilian authorities do not want to accept the idea that they might be dealing with terrorist attacks.
international authorities are .ather concerned [indiscernible] there is a lack of control in venezuela. for instance, one of the things companies have to take into account is the fact that all the citizens from those countries can walk along the borders without any significant control, any control. there are a number of countries involved in colombia, chile, peru --aeli, paraguay,
chile, venezuela, paraguay, peru, brazil, guatemala and mexico, when watching what is from the and coming white house. you realize that they are very concerned about the control between the border and mexico. i would be rather concerned about the control as well. before, the out criminal violence in el salvador and honduras is the on what i would consider to be a normal state of affairs and extremely worrying, up to the point where
-- one starts to wonder where --[ indiscernible] i think the colombians have the obligation to look into the problems on the common frontier. say ay, i would like to couple things about columbia. the case of columbia. the length of the violence and , toconflict in colombia thousands of lives, thousands of losses, up to a point where
somebody could start to think was that the conflict between two people or was it a case of fringe terrorist groups fighting against the state? we have such a long and violent conflict, a number of elements were present. entrenchedse of terrorist groups fighting against the state for a number of years, but as i mentioned weree, those terrorists moving either on the criminal side or the political side and -- colombian government has
some sort of negotiation to meet the needs for the site. it is very much up to the colombians to decide their own from theparents, but i respections, and the rights of all the countries to do whatever they feel like, but the united nations was very clearly cap decide, kept apart from the negotiations.
when thinking about the colombian case and when thinking about the pace of terrorism which may affect latin america or any other region or country, i think we have to bear in mind some rules or behavior. the first one is the terrorist should you with no impunity. that is the basic rule. are acting in impunity, that is a reason to keep acting. -- the examples of the suffering which has been induced by terrorism and the links to -- [indiscernible] you have to have the rule of law as the basic principle of the
governing of terrorism or any other activity. in the motion for transitional justice is something that should definitely spread with the ideal of the rule of law. no impunity should be given to terrorists. these -- any in pardons should be given to former terrorist, the idea that the victims are not being forgotten in the post-conflict, the idea that there is some ways to circumvent the process of the rule of law, the idea that violence could be pardoned is extremely dangerous. . for the keeping of peace, stability, democracy, prosperity . in the end, i will draw some conclusions.
there is not such a thing as absolute security. .e have to try and balance willful endurance is the sure way to disaster, trying to go further does not make any calm. better to be well prepared and nothing happened and -- than not be prepared at all. latin american countries need in moreal to be stronger and proactive in the face of terrorist threats. that you be the consequence of the termination join forces to achieve more prosperity.
i sincerely believe that there is still time to do that. thank you very much for your attention. [applause] >> hello. with your permission. i will explain how contemporary terrorists around the world are seducing young people in order to commit their activities. most of my explanation is about the book.
we are talking but the front of a company, would you said this is positive or negative? positive or things negative? positive? this is a isis campaign aimed to the united states that was released in november 2016. the context was the debate about integration in the population, the crisis of -- video was released in england. the dollariscussing system and all the issues that matter to americans. i did not say anything about religion.
-- they did not say anything about religion. this is how these terrorist groups are presenting themselves. this campaign was released through all sorts of networks. this is not only one example. this is a constant strategy that isis has started. they are displaying a narrative to seduce younger generations around the world. they drink our drinks, they drink pepsi. they have our cars. all these images are from isis.
they drive nice trucks. they use computers. they do scuba diving. i know, it's amazing. this is an about going to pray in a mosque. -- this isn't about going to pray in a mosque. go scuba diving and drink pepsi. of course, you can take care of all children -- of little children. do you think this guy looks like bin laden? he is pretty famous. he is a former surfer from australia and he is taking care
of children in a hospital. he used to be a playboy, he used to drink. suddenly, he went to the islamic state in raqqa. throwing homosexuals from a roof. itself, notenting -- they aresame presenting themselves as an ngo. this is what they present -- pretend to say. when the talk about the police of islamic state, they show super fancy software to detect crimes like csi.
of course it is fake. it doesn't matter, the reality. what matters is the perception. this is the global message, using people in the u.s. or in spain or morocco. that is the biggest threat from the islamic state. soon, other violent extremist groups will copy from the islamic state because it is really working.
[indiscernible] in three years, with this narrative, these guys have seduced 35,000 people from different countries. you know who this guy is? i will make a different question. would you be surprised to find this guy in a mcdonald's in new york? would you say he is a normal guy? neighbor, yourr student.
they are not for trying themselves as praying in the middle of a desert. postmoderntemporary, to seduce people around the world. they had distributed over 1000 videos on the internet. -- have distributed over 1000 videos on the internet. half of the resources of the islamic state are used to communicate throughout the world. they are doing market d segmentation like the most important companies around the
world. they are using language to make segmentation. almost 80% of islamic state members are arabic. 20% speak in other languages. those other languages are 30% english, 34% russian, 32% in french, german. they have created their own media. infographics, a newsletter, magazines in five different languages.
look at the style of this. if i don't tell you this is a isis magazine and you went to the airport and you saw this magazine, would you be surprised? look what they do when they make a publication for other countries. they make a cover that looks like the magazines in that country. they make their own news agency that does not look like propaganda.
it looks like an independent agency. you have to be very aware or really know that this is not a news agency, the images are not like any dead or raw images from and you haveisis your own application where you can download the products. it is very savvy. isaac is talking about four different things. -- isis is talking about four different things. showing themselves as a powerful army able to defeat any other army in the world and they are showing positive government images or messages, showing themselves as a state, a modern state.
not the old middle-age caliphate. another part of the media .ervice you know how many times the leader of isis has appeared in the media? in three years? one. andmany times had been lot -- had bin laden shown up for al qaeda? plenty. they are talking to a growing audience. this is a postmodern millennial
movement. they are using an people around the world to spread the message. they know that their leader is not credible. they don't want to present themselves as a radical institution. you have something like a hundred people from different countries -- 800 people from different countries. there are five people from latin america in those videos.
something interesting about this video? this is where you present the battles. it looks like us. it looks like the videogame, call of duty. the guys from barcelona used to play this game all the time. this is the way they are seducing people all the time. daesh is presented itself as a government providing services. of course this is not really happening. they are corrupt, violent. the only ones are trying to show
they are a good government is the populist movement in syria. this is the man in charge of the .olice this is all the public services that they show they are producing in the region of iraq. they show how they keep the roads, traffic, electricity, charity, medication, communication, commerce. they are being careful. this is important. the magic of isis is the spectacle.
how can use it is people by killing hostages? violence as a spectacle. they are framing that kind of violence as the same language as their audiences. of example, this is media -- how do youand say this, thing of isis that's their copying the scenes and the screams and everything because the audiences have fun and they consume entertainment.
duty, isis call of duty -- isis call of duty, isis mortal kombat. isis person of interest, isis matrix. isis american sniper. study, over -- of the videos of isis, 50% depending violence are copied .rom the images this is the way that isis is citizen people around the world. they're are doing specific campaigns in latin america, especially in the caribbean. it is a global phenomenon that rootsly started and the is in the region. if some other groups or to copy
the main parts of my presentations about political violence that i'm going also to speak about terrorists. -- but i'm going also to speak about terrorists. i start with two quotations. the first one from nicolas maduro. herbertod one from give aruevara. guevara spent more than a year in communist school in cuba. that's why the second quotation is from ernesto guevara. has --vara says peyton says hate has affect on the struggle.
-- effective the violence selective and cold killing machine. beenkilling machine has working in venezuela but it started long ago. the history of venezuela is a history of political violence. error independence one third of the population died. from the beginning of the 19th century to the second half of the 20th century. violence was the usual way to get power and retain power in venezuela. we had to wait until 1964. in order to see for the first time and elected president ending his term of office. elected in 1958.
successor,to his elected by the venezuelan people in free elections. 1999 nineto presidents in a row were elected by the venezuelan people. violence wasthe there from 1959 to 1970. there were several failed military tunes against him credit government and the radical left following the cuban example and we had guerrilla warfare for 10 years with a lot of violence of course. by political thirdation in the
presidents in a row of elected presidents. in 190 two the violence came attemptedhugo chavez and failed in a coup d'etat and there were more than 400 people lose their life in this attempt. six years later the same is elected by the people of venezuela in a free election and in the middle of an economic and social and political crisis. the chavez started -- violence was every day more
present in the venezuelan political life. with theof government appearance of democracy was the end of the rule of law. the end of checks and balances and the separation of power. important itore was a time of intolerance. peopleded the venezuelan into two sides. the good and bad. revolutionary and bourgeois. in 2004 there was a coup against chavez that failed. were rigged but one for a man of his time the majority of the venezuelan people support.
if his election had been free he would have won this election. more than 30 political leaders were disqualified from running for office. a handful of politicians and judges were in jail. saw the lack of press freedom. human rights violations. paramilitary government-sponsored bands. s. collective a very huge corruption. it was not new and venezuelan history. the size was very impressive. mainly because there were no contrasts against corruption. -- the press was
censored. corruption was free. interference allowed people to speak that venezuela is a kind of cuban colony. then came nicolas maduro. in the middle when chavez died in the middle of an economic crisis. crisis started before chavez death and before the oil prices dropped. the crisis is not only the consequence of the oil situation. the consequence of an economic model which failed. leader by a very narrow margin. one point 4%. 140,000 vote and the opposition
objected this election. neither the electoral authorities knew the courts ever heard the opposition objection. lotcorruption increased a and for the first time in a long we started to have a scarcity of basic goods. in february 2014 there was a student and popular uprising and 40 people, young people lost their lives. this was followed by maduro. it was to empty the content of
opposition electoral victories in elections. when a governor or a mayor of the city was elected in the opposition all the constitutional powers for mayorship where strict. budget, too. was a referendum in two thousand seven. chavez wanted to change the constitution. he said the constitution of 1999 was the best of the world. eight years later he tried to change his constitution in order to establish a socialist government in venezuela. it was his first electoral defeat. referendum beat the si.
which was the answer chavez was asking. but what happened after that? the 40 reforms of the constitution, 39 were put to the side. legal order in venezuela by normal laws approved by parliament. that means against the constitution. werehe people who say no introduced to the legal framework. in venezuela there is now 450 political prisoners convicted in court. among them some are very famous. you see here in the picture. then there of the city of caracas. 13 mayors. opposition mayors of important cities are in jail or in exile.
in five days ago the attorney general to venezuela is appointed by the president in the united states. but it's not part of the cabinet. she was a chubby still loyalist. -- chavista loyalist. she was fired and five days ago she has gone to exile because she was going to be sent to jail. in 2016 the electoral authorities refused to hold the recall referendum. there were signatures asking for the electoral -- said it is not possible. we have no time. we have no money. the regular elections were postponed with the same arguments. they say that an economic crisis
it was a luxury to have -- to spend money on elections. while there were so many problems in the economy. the last three years have been a and of economic disaster this year, 2017 is a year of political disarray. i forgot -- ok. there we are. from the event as well and economic evolution in the last times, they are well known. they are very impressive. you can buy the u.s. dollar if you have good contacts and paid
10. if you don't have good contacts you pay 200. have you know contact at all you will pay 16,000. this is to get preparation, foreign currency from the central bank and end sell it in the black market. it's a better business than selling drugs or heroin or whatever. we have the world read -- worldwide record in this moment. the idea of hyperinflation. the foreign currency with her to the central bank dropped from 53 -- $43 billion to $10 billion. the gdp in the last three years lost one third of its value. figure ise the last
from 2017 and we are in the middle of the year. it's absolutely sure that this figure is going to increase and we will have at the end of the less of gdp.0% the scarcity you have seen people eating from garbage and the scarcity, the levels of 80% 2016.s now -- was and it's hire right now. in april 2017 this year the judgment of the supreme court deprived the national assembly of all its constitutional power.
and the four most popular uprising with the goal of 100 29 deaths. 5000 people were arrested. and 4050.injured mainly all of them civilians. mainly by military courts. you see scenes of violence. are verythese pictures interesting. this is the speaker of the national assembly. the lady in the second one is a congresswoman.
there are a lot more pictures of ordinary people and political leaders. we began to start with the terrorists. in the last most there are very interesting political events. the opposition called for a referendum. he electoral authorities denied any collaborations with popular consultation. in the referendum. a half million went to the poll and voted against nicolas maduro. 50 days later. the government called for an election. in election of constituent assembly.
of calling off the selection and there was a massive fraud. independents estimations were about 3 million people went to them forest and so on. and there were 8 million votes. fraud of 5 million votes. most important fraud in the history of latin america. will come back to the political violence. in venezuela we have terrorism the way of taking power in 60's. at the end of the decade. what we had from the beginning of 21st century is state-sponsored terrorism. violent all these
paramilitary groups acting against protesters, killing and injuring people destroying and controlling part of the city and part of the country. part of the city and important parts of the venezuelan territory especially the part controlled by a mix of terrorists from venezuela and ofrrilla from the fark columbia. there are links with international terrorist groups. first a very special link with colombian terrorists.
withz made arrangements eln.leadership and you have terrorists and drug traffickers in the same game. became a part of the drug trafficking. very important part of the drugs that came through north america and europe. most through venezuela and with the complicity of that as well and authorities there were special links with iran. and venezuelan banks and companies were away to avoid
sanctions. with hezbollah. the terrorist organization. what was this link. first of all, the provision of safe haven and facilities for the farc and the eln in the colombian border. there were training camps. there were hospitals. there were places where they were safe against the colombian army. is documentation. venezuelan passports. tv cnn hase seen on covered the situation that in
the venezuelan embassy in willad avails and passport sell for $40,000. that was absolutely documented. never punished. there was one side of the problem. is gettingide passports to terrorist. four days ago a syrian terrorist was arrested in heathrow airport in london with a venezuelan passport. guy didn't speak spanish. venezuela -- it happened once to me. side and a man on my he was filling the immigration form and he asked me in very bad english, not as bad as mine. he asked me to help him. because i don't speak spanish.
and here the venezuelan passport. i don't believe he was a terrorist or not. he had a passport. and there was help in financial sections. money laundering. for the farc and hezbollah. embassyvenezuelan transport documents etc.. what is coming next in venezuela. regular elections were scheduled finally for october. this year. there was a big discussion and venezuelan opposition about purchase of trading in the elections. the majority of the political parties decided to participate even with then
prospect of big fraud and a very know ift question is to there is a possibility of civil war in venezuela. for now what we have is a war against civilians. if you want to have a civil war you must have two sides armed. and in venezuela that's not the case. even recently several army facilities were robbed. and what they produced for steel and nobody knows where they are right now. in these popular uprisings in caracas and other cities was a specific one. -- thest picture remains square in beijing. ans an old lady in front of
armored vehicle. the violence from the opposition was kept in the gas canisters and throwing them back. or throwing stones are playing musical instruments in the front of the national guard. imaginative but very deficient when you try to defeat the regular army. what comes next. i continue with that. if the maduro government is still there. imprisoning, torturing people. secretary of the in acan states has said hearing on venezuela he said behind every detainee and every political prisoner and every
person tortured and killed there is someone institutionally responsible in venezuela. which are the possible scenarios and we finish with that. the first one is scenarios an on military dictatorship. maduro without maduro. -- the only thing you is -- do with a bayonet this is what maduro is making. he is an important support of the military. military are loyal to the government until the date they make ia coup.
there are lots of rumors that maduro is no longer useful to narco traffic generals and he is going to be deposed. the second scenario the second andnternational sanctions demonstration in venezuela and military unrest lead to a transition government and general election. the third scenario the majority of the venezuelan leadership doesn't want as a foreign military intervention. you perhaps heard president sayingpeaking about other solutions were open in the military one. we will see.
[applause] speakers are ready to some versions and the first one is that lady. please give us your name and affiliation. >> no affiliation. all -- >> and this reminded me why a lot of people wanted donald trump to build a wall. all of these middle eastern terrorists coming into the west and now latin america. don't you think it's a good idea for countries to close their borders? and be more careful who they are letting it?
for the children fromplease givd affiliation. venezuela, i have heard that venezuela has the largest oil reserves and the second-largest gold reserves. i have heard that chavez's daughter is either the richest person or richest woman in venezuela and people are hunting pigeons down in the street. where is all of this money going to. also for the second guy, who is funding isis? where are they getting the money to have all of these campaigns everywhere? i have never heard anyone in the media or in the government address that. >> ok. thanks for your questions. >> very brief. the financing. state is in the richest region of syria.
in the south. venezuela, syria and thet of border with iraq is all the major field gas and petro fields are in syria and they have been under control of that. they are selling that gas. that's the main revenue of isis. maybe i didn't state correctly in my presentation. regarding the borders. the five people from -- they are not middle eastern. there are from trinidad and tobago. the boys attacking spain have spanish national passports. they are not middle eastern going to spain.
most of the people -- their parents. when do you put the point of the generation. are four people who are not from u.s.. venezuela and costa rica. i think my kids study here. where do you put in the generation to come to our country. there is a phenomenon that is very unique very new and very intriguing and it is how this violent extremist group are seducing naturals from countries all around the world. this is something that
unfortunately is not that easy but controlled borders. even if you close all the borders. you can be read. i can agree with you. -- it wouldn't stop many of the terrorist attacks we have seen. in europe or in other countries in the last month. are people with passports from second and third generation. they are young people. they look like us. they are like us. they are seducing citizens from the country. the case of trinidad and tobago is very clear. those guys have never traveled to iraq and syria. they have had a longer life in trinidad and tobago. if you say let's close the borders it means nothing because they are already in the country.
this is the challenging part. >> mario that chavez is a member of the venezuelan did -- delegation to the u.n.. she is said to be one of the richest women in the world. means moree has some than her father as a venezuelan diplomat. she doesn't go very often to the delegation. she says she gets on this money avon.g in selling avon products. that is a name that is not very usual in venezuela. selling avon products. the venezuelan vice president. a lot of links with the middle east.
defense of democracies. i'm interested in all of the labour party members to the .candal and petrobras convicted talk about good governance and being able to use laws that are already put in place. start litigating against and prosecuting these people. do you think this would be a good way to start legal proceedings into the corruption of the venezuelan government by using the already created case against these people? liz ortega has a lot of information because she was with the regime from the beginning. and she knows everything. that is her reason. because she knows everything. and that is like the mafia.
the rule of silence. you are risking your life. they gaveoof because to the venezuelan prosecutors all of the information. information it is saying that accompany him by friends of nicholas o in mexico has all the contracts of food importation. company owned by the chairman of the constituent assembly. contract -- paybacks from $100 million. it is a lot more information.
there was another part to the question. corruption is information. because now the information was mainly from defectors or from the press. this one is a very big factor. >> i am a fellow with -- i am a judge from guatemala. and are -- anyit information between the links and the gangs and organized terrorist groups. some of you talk about the problems of the region. a lot of corruption. we can stick to. i think it's very dangerous that something can happen in that region.
>> very briefly. great question. that isis hasnce -- in the most corrupt countries in africa. syria is like the 14. placessings happen in where the confidence between cities and institutions is absolutely broken and the feeling of isolation between the -- the feeling of the lack of delivery of public services. this has happened with this situation. there are violent and extremist groups with narrative that are channelingent in
social upset created by the corruption and that governance. got engagement with local tribes. whatever. in the region there are similar characteristics and what could happen if a group with this infrastructure for this to channele tries this level of frustration in the same way. i don't know if i asking the correct. maybe when we find some common characteristics. regarding the gangs. possibly. the gangs at some point our governing the space where the state is not present. gangs at the end of the day are doing public services. they are a source of cultural identity.
this narrative to engage with the young audiences. similar sociopolitical background. >> if you see the pictures of the guys in barcelona. you say that they are part of some country. you will believe me. >> i wanted to add something. when a criminal organization -- it begins a political act. and there is a link with time and politics and in venezuela we are seen the collectives sometimes political activists and sometimes former criminals who continue their private activities under the protection of the state. you have to be very worried in
if you have a government like ours. >> yes. i am a private citizen. my question goes towards solutions focusing on venezuela. an $8 you dismantle billion multinational drug distribution network? that uses 2000 generals. in the u.s. we have 50. plus the national guard network. to grow internationally. >> does anybody have any answer to that?
>> there is not one answer. there are a number of answers. it is the responsibility of the government of all the countries. then there is the international responsibility and regional cooperation. i mentioned the financial action task force which is extremely effective. i do not have operational powers. they don't have the police. they do have the means to find out who is doing what in that respect. they do it very effectively. at the g7 some years back a number of countries. not all the countries of the googleelong to that just fatf.
extremely to the point in terms of fighting precisely that sort of problem. -- it is one of the tools used by the united nations committee in the fight theyst -- i can't tell you are extremely effective in finding out who is doing what. they send recommendations to the government. it is up to the governments to decide what to do. we needwhy international sanctions cooperation and pressure. the department of treasury in these countries extremely effective in that respect. i'm convinced that with all of the sanctions right now for endance on venezuela at the
of the day they might be effective. they might be able to cut short the activities of that people they're living on hundreds of millions of dollars which have been acquired in an illicit way. the cooperation of international organizations not to solve the whole problem because then we have to think about angola for instance. angola had elections and now they have a number of problems. angola is extremely correct. extremely corrupt. south africa. on and on. we look into the western world, europe and the united states plus a significant number of nations in the hemisphere and
some asian countries as well. there is the will and the power and the possibility. the fight is already there. being partially successful in the fight. i don't have all of the answers. nobody does. >> the venezuelan situation. there is a cartel in venezuela. the cartel of generals. all the generals are not drug traffickers. when you have this kind of money you don't hide it. everyone knows who is who in venezuela. marco rubio chairman of the
difficult to defeat it. to fightstate decides the drug traffic there are a lot of things to do. one of them as the ambassador says his international cooperation. what of the first things that chavez did as president was to expel from venezuela that da. he said they were all imperialist spies. and there no kind of collaboration between the drugs and authorities in venezuela with the da or the authorities. we are not going to stop it. driveaster to make them very more difficult. >> one final question.
for the guyon is who wrote the book on isis. how many channels isis can have in social media in spain or other countries and what the government is doing to prevent those channels and those content going to the audience? also is the thing we saw in barcelona a few weeks ago. the pattern is going to be in groups like we are seeing attacking in group of friends or guys who contact each other because they consume the same content or people are going to do it alone? every campaign -- the media
ofucture of -- consists producers, radio, department infographics, department of news. department of musical channels. it's like a very well-prepared media infrastructure. a media company that could be in the market. it's official. how they distribute this content consists more or less between 400. most of this content is by twitter and telegram. every campaign is participated or broadcast by 400 twitter accounts graded specifically for the campaign. they use bots. between 1000 500 messages in every campaign. they distribute the campaign
videos. dayslike one every two something like that. the numbers. they are doing a lot. at the beginning when i started to do the research you could count the links. who are able for months now. those links or those videos remain between two and four hours. that's the time the companies take to catch that. at the same time of all network .f people uploading and doing like like mouse and cat every time. regarding the stereotypes, the
problem or the challenge of this new kind of terrorism is that they don't follow a pattern. it would be an error to try and create this is the pattern of the new terrorist. to establish like -- the problem of this is that it's very unpredictable. only in the last two years. we have a terrorist attack produced by a cell organized by isis. like the attack in paris and brussels. isis whiched by train people in syria. make these people travel to europe. they have a structure. they have weapons. like machine guns. they have explosives. they have a net of buildings where they can hide before committing attacks. this is one model.
model like have the the westminster attack in london. follow the instruction of isis on social media. radicalize himself. and then they commit attacked with a car and a knife that you find in your house. and then you have a model like in barcelona. some lonely ones that they got together and something from outside coordinates everything. evidence the any attack was prepared like brussels and paris. era to establish models. this kind of terrorism is going to break all the time the models. we have to see the facts and see what's going on in every case. before -- the vast majority of the muslim population around the world are not terrorists.
it's also quite evident that the if not to say all those who practice so-called islamic terrorism call themselves faithful. this is something we have to take into account whenever we consider the existence of muslim communities here and there. they are welcome. they have been welcome. in latin america muslim communities have been coming here for ages. it's not a recent phenomenon. you go into practically any american -- latin american countries you find people who are called turks. they are not turks. there are palestinians and they have been there for generations. that's another fact. muslim --those
recently muslim generations we have to take into account the process of radicalization. it is making headway and we have members on them -- the of those communities who are not terrorists. we have to count on them for some sort of intelligence. intentional information and communication to find out exactly what is going on. in the case of barcelona there was an aim on leading the effort. he waswe know radicalized -- how he was radicalize. social media or whatever. he was radicalized. he was preaching something wrongly in the name of islam which was remote and violence. it is something we have to take into account. you have to integrate those communities. this is a european reflection.
we do have to tell those communities they are welcome. you are working there. in general they are well integrated. they go through schools. enjoy all the social security advantages of society and so on. at the same time they have to respect laws. we should follow the american example. not to say that the united states is free from terrorism. we have to remember that september 11 was not organized by people living in the united states. they were foreigners. in the cases of islamic terrorists very few cases taking place in the united states are not significant from that viewpoint. not significant because of the numbers and not significant of the of the activity authorities. they are not significant because
whoever it is a muslim living in the united states knows very well but the full respect for the wrong beliefs guaranteed by the constitution provided he respects the constitution. this is something not happening we haveately in europe in the united kingdom. we haven't friends. areas of thelgium population which are free areas. areas which are not being ruled by the civilian laws of the country. there are a number of factors. this is a significant part of the response. if they do not integrate according to the local laws and we will sooner or later will face problems. thank you very much for having attended and sharing the
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